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|bmc1026||Posted 04/15/12 01:13AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Hi Guys, my question is that my youngest brother bought a ewe lamb form this sale in california, really fantastic looking ewe! The issue was that she is slightly parrot mouthed didn't realize this until we brought her home, he really wants to show her, but my gut says no, I know there are ways that you can hide it, my only worry is if the judge were to mouth here? As for breeding her I plan on it, I have heard not to keep the lambs is it true? |
|TXsheepRaiser||Posted 04/15/12 07:43AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|it could get iffy on breeding.. But i wouldnt think there would be any problem showing wise..
|kciD||Posted 04/15/12 08:36AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|read the parrot mouth post under this one...
if you plan to show her as a breeding ewe-- expect nothing higher than bottom of the class every time.
|kciD||Posted 04/15/12 08:37AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|boosted it up for you-- directly under it now.|
|bmc1026||Posted 04/15/12 01:29PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Thanks Guys, I want to point out that it is a county fair if that helps, not a super big show, and truth be told I have never seen the judge mouth a ewe. kciD that sucks what did you end up doing with her?|
|kciD||Posted 04/15/12 01:36PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|My original parrot mouth ewe born in 08-- I kept her for a brood ewe. She lambed in 09 with a single ewe lamb, and 10 with twin ram lambs-- then died the summer of 10 in the July heat-- only heat stress of the summer. None of her three lambs had PM.
However, the daughter is 2 for 4 with producing PM lambs. She's on the cull list-- which might get enacted very quickly.
|bmc1026||Posted 04/15/12 01:56PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|So don't keep the offspring? I have never dealt with a parrot mouth before, so it's new to me!|
|DonD1||Posted 04/15/12 02:58PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|The primary reason to select against Parrot Mouth is that the sheeps ability to graze is degraded. It depends how poorly the jaw lines up with the teeth. The sheep literally has difficulty treat the grass off and can then be extremely thin inspite of what appears to be more than adequate feed. It's not a problem when they are fed harvested feed both most sheep spend some time grazing during the year.
As Kcid found out you can sometimes show a sheep and keep the judge from seeing the defect but if you slip up it's an easy placing for the judge. Because PM is defect that impacts how practical the sheep is, even at a little county fair if the judge notices it, you will probably end up on the end of the class you're not trying to be on.
|bmc1026||Posted 04/15/12 03:08PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Thanks for the impute, we just decided it was best to scratch her, better safe than sorry. She is out on pasture right now and seems to be doing well, she looks good.|
|DonD1||Posted 04/15/12 03:15PM Changed 04/15/12 03:15PM|
|DownWithHair||Posted 04/15/12 04:10PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|If it isn't too bad and they mouth them, you might be able to hide it, but its hard to explain in writing how to do it. Basically, just play around with her bottom jaw until you find a way to sneakily pull it forward until they line up. Just depends on how bad it is if you can do it. It also depends on how good of a showman he is. Some you can do this on, some you can't...just play with it and see|
|kciD||Posted 04/15/12 08:32PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|dwh... much easier done with monkey mouth and rubber bands...
pm most often is hid just by sticking your finger in it's mouth-- and the judge without thinking-- either feels your finger, or the sheep is chomping and the judge just continues forward.
if you are planning to do this sometime in the future-- the odds of it working-- are less than they are breeding an NS sheep to an NS sheep-- and getting a dead lamb- which occurs 25% of the time. I would guess less than 10% you'll get away with hiding the defect.
so, do you mind standing dead last 9 out of 10 times?
|bmc1026||Posted 04/15/12 08:49PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Like I stated earlier, We are prob not going to take her to the fair just to be on the safe side, however just for personal experience I will try what dwh said, we do have a month till the fair. Different subject, I had a ewe with some crusty eyes, it wasn't pink eye, but a few days later the skin and hair is peeling off her face, I have never seen this before, also I can see the new skin, but no hair yet, anybody know what this is?|
|DownWithHair||Posted 04/15/12 11:12PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|I have been able to do it with much success on horses(we have to open their mouths and show teeth). I know different animal, but their jaws are not all that different...a little thing I do with a couple judges is flip their lips up if they check teeth from the front(some judges seem really appreciative of that) then they just can look and my lamb stands still. Never hurts to try a few things!
Kcid never thought of that... Gonna have to play around with that on a pony I have that is just a touch pm (like 1/8 inch)
|kciD||Posted 04/16/12 06:40AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|bmc-- pair peeling off around the eyes is two things-- one ringworm-- or two rolled eyelids. sounds like if the eye is watery and crusty-- it's rolled eyelids.
dwh> rubber bands won't do you any good with PM, b/c you'll have to pull the bottom jaw forward=- not backward.
and you can't use just any rubber band.. needs to be one of the large industrial sized 10 inch x 1/2 inch ones.
|DownWithHair||Posted 04/16/12 04:17PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|I meant the making her chew, but she just enjoys fleming when you mess with her mouth|
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