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|LambLover21||Posted 03/06/10 01:18PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Ordering some Safe-Guard dewormer, it says it is fine to use in lactating ewes. Wondering how many of you use it, and how well the results are. Also, I will need a dosing syringe right? Im looking on vallyvet, the shipping is toatlly free, so thats nice.
http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=30e0766b-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5 for the wormer
http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=487a8e94-f6a4-441a-a2ea-348b93077098 for the syringe.
|TXsheepRaiser||Posted 03/06/10 01:36PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Lamblover21, I read the label and it says for goats but i dont see sheep anywhere on it. also its says NOT for lactating goats, so that wouldnt work even if it did work for sheep. you need to find out more info before you use it... JMO
|LambLover21||Posted 03/06/10 02:10PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Suggested Sheep Worming Schedule
Lambs are very susceptible to internal parasites, including tapeworms. Lambs should be wormed at approximately 8 weeks of age, and again every 4-8 weeks until a year of age. Signs such as paleness of the gums or lower eyelids, diarrhea, rough hair coat, or poor growth may indicate anemia and can be cause for alarm. Commonly used oral sheep wormers include Safe-Guard, Ivomec and Cydectin. Tapeworms require using a dewormer such as Valbazen.
Ewes should be wormed 2-4 weeks before lambing to reduce the passage of parasites to the lambs. Only Safe Guard and Rumatel are approved for use in lactating animals. Ewes and rams should be wormed at least 2-4 times per year. Check adults frequently for signs of parasites, especially during warm, moist times of the year, and worm accordingly. A strict pasture rotation also helps reduce parasite exposure. Commonly used oral sheep wormers include Safe-Guard, Ivomec and Cydectin. Tapeworms require using a dewormer such as Valbazen.
this is what it said as i was reading about different wormers.
|feedguy||Posted 03/06/10 04:41PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|It you're reading sheep on the label, then it's not Safe-Guard. Safe-Guard is not approved for sheep.|
|TXsheepRaiser||Posted 03/06/10 05:41PM Changed 03/06/10 05:43PM|
|I called Valley Vet and the vetenarian said that it can be used by sheep by the same dosage that the goats use, but i will stick to valbazan and the other wormers that have sheep on the label, better to be safe than sorry... JMO
|lm1668||Posted 03/06/10 10:35PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Safeguard Is a great dewormer for sheep . Have used it for years . It's very effective against tapeworm. Also, it is the same as Panacur. |
|rabbitmom||Posted 03/06/10 10:39PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Any ideas why it would be ok for Goats and not sheep? Aren't they pretty similar? Our club has used Safe-guard quite often w/o issues.
|LambLover21||Posted 03/06/10 10:43PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Im1668, can you use it in lactating ewes? Txsheepraiser, is valbazan safe in lactating ewes?|
|lm1668||Posted 03/06/10 10:55PM Changed 03/06/10 10:56PM|
|Read the tube of Safeguard paste for horses. 10% Fenbendazole just like the suspension for goats. It's the same drug just has a different dosage label for the specific species. Why there is not a specific one for sheep, I can't answer. We double dose the goat suspension for our sheep and in times of heavy loads have been instructed by our sheep vet to give it at a 1 to 6 ratio. That's ml to lbs . |
|feedguy||Posted 03/07/10 12:12AM Changed 03/07/10 06:28AM|
|What I said was it is not APPROVED for sheep (by the FDA). Panacur and Safe-Guard have the same relationship as Paylean and Optiflexx. Paylean is only approved for swine. Optiflexx only approved for cattle. Yet, the active ingredient is ractopamine HCl in both.
It doesn't matter what your vet said, it's still off label. Vets have to abide by the same laws as all we "non vets" do.
Safe-Guard is approved for cattle, horses, goats, and pigs.
I'm not saying it doesn't work in sheep. I'm saying it is not approved for use in sheep. And when you post that you are using it in sheep on a website that the FDA probably monitors, it's not a smart thing to do.
|KnittyCat||Posted 03/07/10 03:13AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|I can understand feedguy's point on this. As an example, there is a reason why Tylenol comes in infant, childrens, and adult formulas. The concentration levels are different for each despite all having the same active ingredient acetometaphin. If the infant version calls for 1 tsp for a 2yo, you cannot turn around and give that same 2 yo a tsp of the childrens version. (I am merely using those numbers as examples. I don't know the dosage off the top of my head.) Is that what you are saying feedguy?|
|Kyhampbreeder||Posted 03/07/10 06:27AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Kevin's [feedguy] point is it doesn't matter who suggests using any drug if that particular drug hasn't been approved by the FDA for use in the species in question.
Often it's not a question of safety or effectiveness,just that the required research studies haven't been done and met FDA approval. Sheep are a minor species and research costs are higher than the expected return to the manufacturer.
The Pipevet catalog has a brief article covering the "off label" , "extra label" use of products.
|lm1668||Posted 03/07/10 07:39AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Use at your own risk. As you should with LA200, formaldehyde and many other drugs mentioned a lot on this forum that do not have specific directions for sheep. Many methods of practice, special concoctions and patterns of thought have been born in the field and gained credibility through word of mouth. Take them for what they are. As for FDA approval, you are correct.|
|LambLover21||Posted 03/07/10 01:43PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|okay. Got the point. Now, what is a less expensive drug that i can buy approved for sheep. I only have six head to worm, thats including lambs, and something that is safe in lambs and lactating ewes. Most of the ones I have looked at are around 70 dollars. I'm looking for something less expensive, (smaller) and cheaper.|
|Sam1||Posted 03/07/10 09:04PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
Visit with your veterinarian. I don't know how many you are looking to deworm, but you can often find a veterinarian willing to sell you only what you need to deworm instead of having to purchase more than your flock requires.
We can go through a large quantity of product in a short time with our flock so it is easier to look at the per-treatment cost for us rather than at the "final bill" since they are going to need what we are going to purchase.
Your veterinarian should be able to help you identify the parasite pressure you might have, and how to effectively deal with it. They can also give you access to a broader range of medications through the Minor Use Minor Species (MUMS) Act to include other dewormers that are allowable and effective for sheep. While veterinarians abide by the same laws we "non vets" do (per feedguy's comment), they are allowed under specific circumstances to use treatments that are not otherwise allowable to us non DVM types.
|lm1668||Posted 03/07/10 09:37PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
| I purchased a 8 0z. bottle of Ivermectin Sheep Drench at a local feed store to give to the lambs for their first round. Ivermectin is what's in Ivomec and it's good for all stages of sheep. 8 oz. will do 20-100lb. dosages and only cost $18.99. Not as cheap per oz. as a bigger bottle but easy on the wallet at the time. Don't know if you can find it or not. It said "durvet" in the corner of the bottle. I found this link but couldn't get it to work very well. There is a phone number on it though that might get you somewhere.?
|LambLover21||Posted 03/09/10 06:18PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|thanks. The link worked for me. So i'll look into it.|
|KJLONGHILL||Posted 04/29/10 07:03AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Here's a link to great article on wormers and why the FDA hasn't approved many of them for sheep even though they are used elsewhere in the world:
|lambquarters||Posted 04/29/10 10:20AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Every one should really read the article Ky posted from Pipevet, it it very good. |
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