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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 12:45PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | This year at fair during the vet cheek they turned away my lamb and said it had CL. Does anyone know what that is just for future reference.
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| sweetmtn1 | Posted 08/29/12 12:52PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
|  | CL...know as: Caseous Lymphadenitis...here is a link to give you the best discription:
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/10801.htm
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| thelambsweat | Posted 08/29/12 12:59PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | Do a google search for cl in sheep. You will find out more than you wish to know.
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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 01:01PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | Ok
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| DonD1 | Posted 08/29/12 01:14PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
|  | They can toss you out of a show for having an abscess on your lamb. This is not unexpected if it was still draining. IMO, they may have suspected CL but you don't know you have CL unless you culture the abscess.
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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 01:16PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | I didn't even make it into fair but the breeder thought it was a tiroid problem
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| SnarkyArkie | Posted 08/29/12 02:34PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | I can't imagine there is a club lamb breeder in this country that doesn't or hasn't have CL. Many might say they don't/never have it or call a CL absess something else, but at some point they've had it. Some even say they cull the CL out of their flock but if Murphy's Law is as consistant to others as it has been to us, the best ewes are the first ones to get it and managing it is by far easier than culling the top producers of the flock.
Proper management is key and I wish more experienced breeders would take up this topic for discussion so its not such a "scary" topic. Dan Dinova had some good comments on it on facebook group that I read recently.
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| HansenLivestock | Posted 08/29/12 02:46PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
|  | What Facebook group was it Arkie?
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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 02:48PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | It really sucked first it prolapsed four days before fair we didnt find the lump until we sheared it
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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 02:50PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | I live in Oregon I can tell you the breeder but you will Probaly not know them
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| SnarkyArkie | Posted 08/29/12 02:53PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
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| SnarkyArkie | Posted 08/29/12 04:20PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | There is no need to name the breeder. Its really not that uncommon.
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| SHADOWRAN | Posted 08/29/12 05:09PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
|  | Ok I am confused did it prolapse? or did it have a abscess?
Thyroid hmm I wonder why a breeder would say that unless they meant goiter.
jim
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| gingerred11 | Posted 08/29/12 05:10PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | Both worst year ever
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| RockHollow | Posted 08/31/12 11:21PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
|  | Arkie.. been raising lambs for 12 years and never had an abscess yet. (had to laugh, my last names murphy).... I however did have a lot of what we call milk goiter in my lambs at weaning, had switched to a different mineral thiis year and vet said that was to blame. One kids lamb (soon to be shown) still has slightly enlarged thyroid glands under the jaw, and to be sure we aspirated them... came back both on biopsy report as normal thyroid tissue. no puss etc. (I work for a vet and can get this done at cost, otherwise wouldnt have wasted the money).... swellings under the jaw are either..
1)CL - probably most common
2)Goiter - fluid (not Puss) accumulates around jaw area from stress, worm load, etc
3) Increase size of Thyroid Gland (often called milk goiter), due to unbalanced levels of iodine in the diet. changes in size may be permanant says my vet.
There is a possibility a vet somewhat unfamiliar with sheep (as many of you know is often the case) saw a swelling under a jaw and freaked out... not saying it was not CL of course it could have been, but just curious what would have happened if they had aspirated it. You will get puss if CL... would have been interesting.
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| RockHollow | Posted 08/31/12 11:26PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | annddd.. murphys law..I just said that and I'll walk to the barn tomorrow to find every sheep has it haha.
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| DonD1 | Posted 09/01/12 07:45AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | An abscess on your sheep does not mean CL. No visible abscesses doesn't mean you don't have CL. A culture of the abscess has to be done to confirm CL. We've cultured our occasional abscesses over the years and they've been negative for CL.
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| SHADOWRAN | Posted 09/01/12 10:56AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM |
| | When we used to shear a lot, me and brother were shearing a Dorset ram that had CL so bad he could barely get the shears to cut the wool but when he finally did get it off it was like a wool skin, he kept it for years to show to kids in the 4-H sheep program (he had people try to pull it apart and they never could.
jim
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