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|Anderson7||Posted 08/07/12 02:19PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|mudflats||Posted 08/07/12 06:39PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|not during breeding season |
|Kyhampbreeder||Posted 08/07/12 07:28PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Why not ?|
|mrchessie||Posted 08/07/12 08:32PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Add orchard grass to your mix and those four things are what are in my hay field and what we use to feed the sheep.|
|ARlambs||Posted 08/07/12 09:40PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Thought white clover has same poison as Johnson Grass? I think it is ok as hay, but grazing at times of drought stress produces cyanide? Someone smarter than me about this stuff, could offer better advice, just stated this to get feed back for my own information.|
|DownWithHair||Posted 08/07/12 10:29PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|I am feeding a clover(not sure what type) alfalfa hay right now. Everythibg is getting it, so what's the issue with breeding time? It's a beautiful bright green|
|RockHollow||Posted 08/07/12 11:15PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|we feed a endophite alfalfa grass clover mix hay... search endophites, I think it messes with the hormones of female animals... certain forages have them some dont... google it maybe.
We never had any problems.
anyone graze alfalfa/clover/grass mix? getting ready to turn hay field into a pasture and wondering if ill have to spray n reseed.
|Sheepherder007||Posted 08/07/12 11:16PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|I think nitrate poisoning is what you are looking for in drought stress forages more than Prussic acid, however they can go hand in hand. Nitrates are normally higher when you have drought stressed forage and you get a little rain causing a growth spurt and then dry weather again.
Prussic acid (AKA-Hydrocyanic acid) levels are normally highest immediately after a killing frost and animals should not be on previously green sudan,sorghum hybrid,Johnson Grass,White Clover,and fruit trees type forages for at least a week after killing frost or offer palatable alternative feedstuffs until plant has dried. Safest bet is to take them off. We just lot the animals for a week if grazing when killing frost happens.
Prussic acid is not as big a problem in grasses as haygrazer type forages but can occur.
Sheep are more tolerant to nitrate than cattle, but have a limit too and I have seen hay with several thousand ppm tests. Keep cattle below 350 and sheep below 750ppm.
|TO6||Posted 08/08/12 12:35AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Prussic acid goes away if you store the hay for several months, I don't think the nitate does. |
|MichellefromOR||Posted 08/12/12 10:38AM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|Red clover should not be fed anywhere near breeding time. Google it and you will see numerous articles on red clover causing a pseudo estrogen that will affect breeding. |
|Kyhampbreeder||Posted 08/12/12 12:30PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|With some varieties in a pure stand. In mixed grass pastures it would seldom be an issue.
You might find it interesting that alfalfa is listed as poisonous to sheep in the Cornell Poison Plant Index.
Most articles you'll find linking fertlity to red clover are from Australia and New Zealand. Red clover varieties not grown in the US .
|Cullen||Posted 08/13/12 04:46PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|DonD1||Posted 08/13/12 05:45PM Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM|
|There are caveats to a lot of good practices. The very dry conditions can cause issues when a mix has been safe.
I don't know of many sheep pastures that are solely this mix. I recall reading of pastures with grass plus clover and/or alfalfa. We have close 1/3 to 1/2 legumes in our pastures and haven't had negative consequences.
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