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new rules at NAILE?

	Member	Message
	SnarkyArkie	Posted 07/26/12 03:55PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Got a 2012 exhibitor book for NAILE and new rules are posted. One states... "All animals will be subject to random drug testing. A licensed vet will be in the makeup ring inspecting animals for any health or ethical violations. The vet has the right to dismiss any animal prior to entering the ring or select animal for random drug testing." Also "no lambs in horse barns without superintentent permission." That would be nice...in theory. I know there are those that can work around any test or rule but its nice to see they are making an attempt to adress the issue.
	farmtown8kid	Posted 07/26/12 04:21PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Rules are only as good as the people who enforce them
	redroper	Posted 07/26/12 04:32PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		I'm not sure how you do a visual drug screen or how you could test anything that quickly. My guess is they are going to try to crack down on fungus, which they need to do at the scales. The makeup area is a lousy place to enforce rules, especially from a show that allowed a demented old man to show for many years. The horse barn issue has been a point of contention for many years. I assumed that they were drug testing, because the biohazard needle depositories went away.
	SnarkyArkie	Posted 07/26/12 04:47PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Those were just "new rules". This is our first book so i dont know how it compares to years past. Last year was our first time to NAILE and possibly our last. There were some, what looked to me, needle marks on some of the lambs as I watched them come out of the ring. Perhaps a trained Vet has a much keener eye and knowledge than mine can tell for sure.
	dd46	Posted 07/26/12 05:43PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		no one want to work with there lambs to build muscle a needle faster i feel sorry for them afraid of hard work whats it coming to
	redroper	Posted 07/26/12 08:36PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		I thought I would post the rules as they are written, to try to keep them in context: 3. No market lambs are allowed in the Horse Barns before the show without superintendent permission. 26. ALL ANIMALS ARE SUBJECT TO RANDOM DRUG TESTING. A LICENSED VETERINARIAN WILL BE IN THE MAKEUP RING INSPECTING ANIMALS FOR ANY ANIMAL HEALTH OR ETHICAL VIOLATIONS. THE VETERINARIAN HAS THE RIGHT TO DISMISS ANY ANIMALS PRIOR TO ENTERING RING OR SELECT ANIMALS FOR RANDOM DRUG TESTING. ALL BREED CHAMPION & RESERVE CHAMPION ANIMALS WILL BE DRUG TESTED. RANDOM ANIMALS WILL ALSO BE SELECTED FOR DRUG TESTING. FOR ADDITIONAL RULES AND INFORMATION PLEASE REFER TO THE NATIONAL CODE OF SHOW RING ETHICS IN THE GENERAL RULES STARTING ON PAGE 22. Not too much out of the ordinary, other than I don't think you can randomly select a lamb from the make up pen. Now if they want to select randlom placings, that would be reasonable. Southdowns used to do that for DNA testing and it wasn't interuptive to the flow of the show.
	DownWithHair	Posted 07/26/12 09:15PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Southdowns do the grand and reserves...maybe even Sr and Jr grands n reserves...for open and Jr show. How about no lambs leaving the barn period? Now they can just wander to the cattle barns.
	redroper	Posted 07/26/12 09:19PM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Downwithhair-They initially did Champions and would draw for random classes and random placings within those classes, which were announced when the class was in the ring.
	sprkplug	Posted 07/29/12 01:57AM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		They did random testing in our state fair last season. One of our wethers was tested as soon as we got him off the trailer. I did not even have time to unload the supplies. I came back to the pin and the vets were sworming. I asked the vet when we would we get the results and he said in about a week. I am thinking then what is the point to wait a week. He also said that if he tested positive for anything the carcuss would be held at the processor and we would face penalties the following season.
	PeteM	Posted 07/29/12 06:56AM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		That would be the best time to test. That takes away the "someone tampered with it" claim.
	DownWithHair	Posted 07/29/12 08:52AM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Agreed. Illinois state fairs policy is all breed and maybe reserve for the junior show...have never seen the collection guys for open show. I think if you test positive you forfeit everything, obviously, and cant show anything for a year.
	af32198	Posted 07/29/12 08:59AM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		Illinois state fair doesn't test the breed champions. They take a urine sample from the grand and reserve only. Urine samples are a joke. They will never catch any of the serious problems with those tests only.
	DonD1	Posted 07/29/12 09:23AM  Changed 00/00/00 12:00AM
		The biggest goal in testing is prevention in the sense the chance of random testing will keep you more honest. Information we received at our state committee meetings agrees with John's point that urine testing alone doesn't catch enough.

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